Outreach2day vs Icemail: $2.50 mailboxes at 15 a day plus a sequencer, or $2.50 mailboxes at 25 with sending included
Icemail sells Google and Microsoft mailboxes at $2.50 a month from a prepaid wallet, at 15 cold emails a day, with warmup and sending left to your sequencer. Outreach2day mailboxes are $2.50 too, $1.50 from 100 and $0.50 from 1,000, and include warmup and our sequencer at 25 a day from day 14. At 2,500 a day: $570.50 a month with Instantly against $171.67.
- Warmup and sending included
- $2.50 a mailbox, 12 minimum
- Month-to-month billing
Full setup at 2,500 cold emails a day · USD a month
- Icemail + InstantlyIcemail + Instantly: $570.50
- Ours + InstantlyOurs + Instantly: $268.67
- Outreach2day all-inOutreach2day all-in: $171.67
Icemail
Outreach2day
- Price per mailbox
- from $2.50 a month (limited deal, list $3.50)from $0.50 (1,000+ mailboxes); $2.50 up to 99, $1.50 from 100, warmup and sequencer included
- Smallest order
- None published; "a five-mailbox test costs what five mailboxes should cost"12 mailboxes, $30 a month
- Mailbox types
- Google, Microsoft, SMTPSMTP
- Warmup
- Not included: DNS is set so mailboxes are "ready for your own warmup" in your sequencerIncluded for the life of the mailbox, 75+ warmup emails a day
Side by side
Icemail vs Outreach2day, line by line
Each cell links to the vendor's page it comes from.
| Feature | Icemail | Outreach2day |
|---|---|---|
| Smallest order | None published; "a five-mailbox test costs what five mailboxes should cost"source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | 12 mailboxes, $30 a monthsource |
| Setup time | Fulfilment typically about 48 hours per its refund policy; "10-minute setup" on its marketing pagessource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | Mailboxes ready within 24 hours; 14 days of warmup before cold emailsource |
| Mailbox types | Google Workspace (Business Starter) and Microsoft 365 on US/EU IPs; Azure and dedicated-IP SMTP as separate productssource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | SMTP/IMAP on your domains (no Google Workspace or Microsoft 365 seats)source |
| Domains | Your own (nameservers pointed to Icemail) or bought in the app from $12 a year, registered in your namesource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | Bought in the app and registered to you, or bring your ownsource |
| Sending limits | 15 cold emails per Google or Microsoft mailbox a day plus 15 warmup; SMTP 50, Azure 10; 3 mailboxes per domain on its Google page, 2–3 in its help centersource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | Up to 25 cold emails per mailbox a day, 5 mailboxes per domainsource |
| Warmup | Not includedNot included: DNS is set so mailboxes are "ready for your own warmup" in your sequencersource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | IncludedIncluded for the life of the mailbox, 75+ warmup emails a daysource |
| Sequencers | No sequencer; one-click export to Instantly, Smartlead, EmailBison, Reachinbox, Lemlist and more (paid plans of those tools only)source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | Its own sequencer; syncs to Instantly and Smartlead, CSV export for 14 toolssource |
| API | IncludedAPI with webhooks on every plansource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | IncludedREST API on every accountsource |
| MCP server | IncludedHosted MCP server (v1.1.0) with a key per workspace for domains, mailboxes and DNS; we did not test itsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | IncludedHosted MCP server: domains, mailboxes, warmup, campaigns, repliessource |
| Support | Live chat; a 30-minute call on requestsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | In-app chat and emailsource |
| Refunds | Its pages disagree: "all payments are final" in the help center, case by case in the refund policy, unused wallet balance within 14 days in the pricing FAQsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | Month to month, cancel any timesource |
| Trial | No trial terms published ("Get Started Free" opens sign-up)source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab) | No free trialsource |
Smallest order
- Icemail
- None published; "a five-mailbox test costs what five mailboxes should cost"source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- 12 mailboxes, $30 a monthsource
Setup time
- Icemail
- Fulfilment typically about 48 hours per its refund policy; "10-minute setup" on its marketing pagessource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- Mailboxes ready within 24 hours; 14 days of warmup before cold emailsource
Mailbox types
- Icemail
- Google Workspace (Business Starter) and Microsoft 365 on US/EU IPs; Azure and dedicated-IP SMTP as separate productssource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- SMTP/IMAP on your domains (no Google Workspace or Microsoft 365 seats)source
Domains
- Icemail
- Your own (nameservers pointed to Icemail) or bought in the app from $12 a year, registered in your namesource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- Bought in the app and registered to you, or bring your ownsource
Sending limits
- Icemail
- 15 cold emails per Google or Microsoft mailbox a day plus 15 warmup; SMTP 50, Azure 10; 3 mailboxes per domain on its Google page, 2–3 in its help centersource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- Up to 25 cold emails per mailbox a day, 5 mailboxes per domainsource
Warmup
- Icemail
- Not includedNot included: DNS is set so mailboxes are "ready for your own warmup" in your sequencersource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- IncludedIncluded for the life of the mailbox, 75+ warmup emails a daysource
Sequencers
- Icemail
- No sequencer; one-click export to Instantly, Smartlead, EmailBison, Reachinbox, Lemlist and more (paid plans of those tools only)source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- Its own sequencer; syncs to Instantly and Smartlead, CSV export for 14 toolssource
API
- Icemail
- IncludedAPI with webhooks on every plansource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- IncludedREST API on every accountsource
MCP server
- Icemail
- IncludedHosted MCP server (v1.1.0) with a key per workspace for domains, mailboxes and DNS; we did not test itsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- IncludedHosted MCP server: domains, mailboxes, warmup, campaigns, repliessource
Support
- Icemail
- Live chat; a 30-minute call on requestsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- In-app chat and emailsource
Refunds
- Icemail
- Its pages disagree: "all payments are final" in the help center, case by case in the refund policy, unused wallet balance within 14 days in the pricing FAQsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- Month to month, cancel any timesource
Trial
- Icemail
- No trial terms published ("Get Started Free" opens sign-up)source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day
- No free trialsource
Prices
What Icemail and Outreach2day charge
Icemail
Google Workspace$2.50 a month
per mailbox · $2.50 · monthly
"Exclusive limited deal" over a struck $3.50; admin panel per domain, API, exportsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
Microsoft 365$2.50 a month
per mailbox · $2.50 · monthly
Limited deal over $3.50; admin panel per domain, API, exportsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
M365 Azure$29 a domain a month
100 per domain · $0.29 at 100 · monthly
10 emails a mailbox a day (5 cold, 5 warmup), 500 a domainsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
IMAP/SMTP$49 a domain a month
10 per domain · $4.90 at 10 · monthly
Dedicated IP and server per domain; 2 domains includedsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
Pre-warmed$5 or $6 a month
per mailbox · $5.00–$6.00 · monthly
Google or Microsoft with sending history; no 2-to-4-week warmupsource (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
Outreach2day
Mailboxes$2.50 a month each
12 to 99 · $2.50 · monthly
Warmup, sequencer, analytics, placement testssource
Volume, from 100$1.50 a month each
100 to 999 · $1.50 · monthly
Warmup, sequencer, analytics, placement testssource
Volume, from 1,000$0.50 a month each
1,000 or more · $0.50 · monthly
Warmup, sequencer, analytics, placement testssource
EnterpriseOn a call
Larger volumes · n/a · monthly
Better prices for larger volumessource
List prices from Icemail's pricing page and Outreach2day's pricing page, checked . Taxes and card fees excluded.
The same emails a day on both sides
Icemail is priced at 15 cold emails a mailbox a day and 3 mailboxes a domain (its Google page and calculator), domains at $12 a year and Instantly for sending and warmup. Outreach2day is priced at 25 a day per mailbox with .com domains at $13 a year, 5 mailboxes each.
2,500 a day: 167 mailboxes ($417.50) + 56 domains ($56) + Instantly Hypergrowth ($97) = $570.50; 100 Outreach2day mailboxes and 20 domains = $171.67. 5,000 a day: $1,131 against $343.33. 25,000 a day: $5,429.50 against $716.67, with our mailboxes at $0.50 from 1,000.
Every Icemail plan and add-on is in Icemail pricing.
Emails per mailbox
Each Outreach2day mailbox sends 25 cold emails a day from day 14, Icemail's 15: 1.67× the volume per mailbox
- Outreach2day, full setup per 1,000 emails
- $3.12
- All in: $171.67 a month, sequencer and warmup included. Mailboxes alone: $1.50 ÷ (25 × 22) = $2.73
- Icemail, full setup per 1,000 emails
- $10.37
- With Instantly Hypergrowth: $570.50 a month. Mailboxes alone: $2.50 ÷ (15 × 22) = $7.58
2,500 cold emails a day (167 Icemail mailboxes, 100 of ours), 22 sending days. Icemail sells mailboxes only, so its full setup adds the sequencer that sends them; every line is in the cost table.
- Outreach2dayOutreach2day: 25 a day
- IcemailIcemail: 15 a day
Full cost
Icemail and Outreach2day at the same emails a day
Icemail mailboxes at 15 a day (its help center's cold limit for Google and Microsoft) with the Instantly plan it needs to send and warm up, next to Outreach2day mailboxes (25 a day each) in Instantly and Outreach2day on its own.
- Icemail + InstantlyIcemail + Instantly: $570.50
- Outreach2day mailboxes + InstantlyOutreach2day mailboxes + Instantly: $268.67
- Outreach2day all-inOutreach2day all-in: $171.67
- Icemail + InstantlyIcemail + Instantly: $1,131
- Outreach2day mailboxes + InstantlyOutreach2day mailboxes + Instantly: $527.33
- Outreach2day all-inOutreach2day all-in: $343.33
- Icemail + InstantlyIcemail + Instantly: $5,429.50
- Outreach2day mailboxes + InstantlyOutreach2day mailboxes + Instantly: $1,422.67
- Outreach2day all-inOutreach2day all-in: $716.67
| Setup | 2,500 a day · 55,000 a month167 Icemail mailboxes at 15 a day, 100 of ours at 25 | 5,000 a day · 110,000 a month334 Icemail mailboxes at 15 a day, 200 of ours at 25 | 25,000 a day · 550,000 a month1,667 Icemail mailboxes at 15 a day, 1,000 of ours at 25 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Icemail + Instantly Google or Microsoft mailboxes from $2.50 a month (limited deal, list $3.50) · 15 cold emails a day each; Instantly for sending and warmup | $570.50a month $398.83 more than Outreach2day all-in$10.37 per 1,000 emails · 167 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $417.50 a month
| $1,131a month $787.67 more than Outreach2day all-in$10.28 per 1,000 emails · 334 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $835 a month
| $5,429.50a month $4,712.83 more than Outreach2day all-in$9.87 per 1,000 emails · 1,667 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $4,167.50 a month
|
| Outreach2day mailboxes + Instantly Keep Instantly, buy the mailboxes from us; 25 a day each | $268.67a month $97 more than Outreach2day all-in$4.88 per 1,000 emails · 100 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $150 a month
| $527.33a month $184 more than Outreach2day all-in$4.79 per 1,000 emails · 200 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $300 a month
| $1,422.67a month $706 more than Outreach2day all-in$2.59 per 1,000 emails · 1,000 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $500 a month
|
| Outreach2day all-in Mailboxes, warmup and our sequencer in one bill; 25 a day each | $171.67a month $3.12 per 1,000 emails · 100 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $150 a month
| $343.33a month $3.12 per 1,000 emails · 200 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $300 a month
| $716.67a month $1.30 per 1,000 emails · 1,000 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $500 a month
|
- Icemail + Instantly
Google or Microsoft mailboxes from $2.50 a month (limited deal, list $3.50) · 15 cold emails a day each; Instantly for sending and warmup
- 2,500 a day · 55,000 a month
$570.50a month
$398.83 more than Outreach2day all-in$10.37 per 1,000 emails · 167 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $417.50 a month
- 167 mailboxes at $2.50: $417.50 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- 56 domains at $12 a year: $56 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Instantly Hypergrowth (sequencer, warmup): $97 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- 5,000 a day · 110,000 a month
$1,131a month
$787.67 more than Outreach2day all-in$10.28 per 1,000 emails · 334 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $835 a month
- 334 mailboxes at $2.50: $835 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- 112 domains at $12 a year: $112 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Instantly Hypergrowth + 1 Outbound add-on (sequencer, warmup): $184 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- 25,000 a day · 550,000 a month
$5,429.50a month
$4,712.83 more than Outreach2day all-in$9.87 per 1,000 emails · 1,667 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $4,167.50 a month
- 1,667 mailboxes at $2.50: $4,167.50 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- 556 domains at $12 a year: $556 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Instantly Hypergrowth + 7 Outbound add-ons (sequencer, warmup): $706 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day mailboxes + Instantly
Keep Instantly, buy the mailboxes from us; 25 a day each
- 2,500 a day · 55,000 a month
$268.67a month
$97 more than Outreach2day all-in$4.88 per 1,000 emails · 100 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $150 a month
- 100 Outreach2day mailboxes at $1.50 (volume price from 100): $150
- 20 domains at $13 a year: $21.67
- Instantly Hypergrowth (sequencer, warmup): $97 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- 5,000 a day · 110,000 a month
$527.33a month
$184 more than Outreach2day all-in$4.79 per 1,000 emails · 200 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $300 a month
- 200 Outreach2day mailboxes at $1.50 (volume price from 100): $300
- 40 domains at $13 a year: $43.33
- Instantly Hypergrowth + 1 Outbound add-on (sequencer, warmup): $184 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- 25,000 a day · 550,000 a month
$1,422.67a month
$706 more than Outreach2day all-in$2.59 per 1,000 emails · 1,000 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $500 a month
- 1,000 Outreach2day mailboxes at $0.50 (volume price from 1,000): $500
- 200 domains at $13 a year: $216.67
- Instantly Hypergrowth + 7 Outbound add-ons (sequencer, warmup): $706 source (opens the vendor's page in a new tab)
- Outreach2day all-in
Mailboxes, warmup and our sequencer in one bill; 25 a day each
- 2,500 a day · 55,000 a month
$171.67a month
$3.12 per 1,000 emails · 100 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $150 a month
- 100 mailboxes at $1.50 (volume price from 100), warmup and sequencer included: $150
- 20 domains at $13 a year: $21.67
- 5,000 a day · 110,000 a month
$343.33a month
$3.12 per 1,000 emails · 200 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $300 a month
- 200 mailboxes at $1.50 (volume price from 100), warmup and sequencer included: $300
- 40 domains at $13 a year: $43.33
- 25,000 a day · 550,000 a month
$716.67a month
$1.30 per 1,000 emails · 1,000 mailboxesMailboxes alone: $500 a month
- 1,000 mailboxes at $0.50 (volume price from 1,000), warmup and sequencer included: $500
- 200 domains at $13 a year: $216.67
Compared at the same emails a day, each vendor at its own published emails per mailbox a day: a cheap mailbox that sends 5 a day costs more per email than one that sends 25. Mailboxes = emails a day ÷ emails per mailbox a day (Icemail: 15, its help center's cold limit for Google and Microsoft; Outreach2day: 25). A month is 22 sending days, so emails a month = emails a day × 22. Monthly list prices on monthly billing; the Instantly plan is the cheapest one that covers the volume. Icemail domains at $12 a year, 3 mailboxes per domain; Outreach2day .com domains at $13 a year, 5 mailboxes per domain. Domains spread over 12 months. Outreach2day mailboxes on comparison pages: $2.50 a mailbox up to 99, $1.50 from 100, $0.50 from 1,000; larger volumes on the Enterprise plan. A mailbox-only vendor cannot send campaigns on its own, so its total is the full sending setup: its mailboxes, domains and the sequencer plan that covers the volume. Instantly is the reference sequencer, on its published plans for the emails and new contacts a month (emails ÷ 3); Smartlead where Instantly publishes no plan; Mailforge with Salesforge, because its mailboxes cannot be warmed in Instantly. The mailbox line is listed on its own in every cell.
Your saving · 25,000 a day
You save $4,712.83 a month ($56,554 a year)with Outreach2day at 25,000 cold emails a day, against Icemail + Instantly at list prices
We move your mailboxes and campaigns for you, free
New · Outreach2day volume pricing
The mailbox price falls from 100 and again from 1,000 mailboxes
Warmup, the sequencer and the replies inbox included at every tier
- Up to 99 mailboxes$2.50a mailbox a month
- From 100 mailboxes$1.50a mailbox a month
- From 1,000 mailboxes$0.50a mailbox a month
Enterprise plan. Better prices for larger volumes.
Book a callWhere they differ
What each one includes
Icemail: Google Workspace or Microsoft 365 mailboxes on US or EU IPs, an admin panel per domain, Cloudflare-managed DNS, export to Instantly, Smartlead, EmailBison, ReachInbox and lemlist, an API with webhooks and a hosted MCP server. Azure and dedicated-IP SMTP are separate products whose prices differ between its pricing page ($29 and $49 a domain) and product pages ($30 and $18). Warmup is left to your sequencer.
Outreach2day: mailboxes on our own infrastructure, on your domains with DNS set automatically, warmup that starts at once and keeps running, a sequencer with steps, schedules, stop on reply, stats and a reply inbox, a REST API and a hosted MCP server. Mailboxes also sync to Instantly and Smartlead by API key.
Terms and the company
Icemail: pay as you go from a wallet, each mailbox renewing monthly, Stripe fees of 3 to 4% not refunded; its pages give four different refund answers, from all payments final to unused credits refundable. Xquare Labs LLC, San Francisco. No minimum order.
Outreach2day: no free trial; month to month on the price you see, cancel any time, 12-mailbox minimum ($30 a month). Details: Icemail review, Icemail alternatives.
Fit
Which one to pick
Icemail
Pick Icemail if
- You want Google Workspace or Microsoft 365 mailboxes with an admin panel
- You want to buy fewer than 12 mailboxes
- You prefer a prepaid wallet to a subscription
Outreach2day
Pick Outreach2day if
- You want 25 cold emails a mailbox a day
- You want warmup and a sequencer in the mailbox price
- You run 100+ mailboxes: $1.50 from 100, $0.50 from 1,000, Enterprise prices on a call
- You want one refund and billing policy in writing
Outreach2day
Why Outreach2day
We make Outreach2day, so this page is ours. Every Icemail fact above links Icemail's own page.
Icemail and Outreach2day both start at $2.50 a mailbox; Icemail's sends 15 cold emails a day and needs a sequencer for sending and warmup, ours sends 25 with both included and drops to $1.50 from 100 and $0.50 from 1,000. Our mailboxes run on our own infrastructure and land in the inbox. Most people think only Google gets to the inbox and overpay for it. Teams that keep Instantly or Smartlead can use our mailboxes there, with warmup running on our side.
Outreach2day mailboxes are $2.50 a mailbox up to 99, $1.50 from 100, $0.50 from 1,000, with warmup, the sequencer and the replies inbox included at every tier. For larger volumes and better prices there is the Enterprise plan: book a call and we size it with you.
Outreach2day
- Warmup and sending included
- $2.50 a mailbox, 12 minimum
- Month-to-month billing
FAQ
Icemail vs Outreach2day: questions
Is Outreach2day cheaper than Icemail?
At the same emails a day, yes: $171.67 a month against $570.50 for Icemail with Instantly at 2,500 cold emails a day, $343.33 against $1,131 at 5,000 and $716.67 against $5,429.50 at 25,000.
Does Icemail include warmup?
No. Its mailboxes are set up "ready for your own warmup" in your sequencer. Outreach2day includes warmup for every mailbox for as long as you keep it.
Can I move from Icemail to Outreach2day?
Yes. Order Outreach2day mailboxes 14 days before your Icemail mailboxes renew so warmup finishes while they still send, then cancel them with the 7 days' notice its refund policy asks for.
Does Icemail have an MCP server?
Its MCP page documents a hosted server for domains, mailboxes and DNS. Outreach2day's MCP server covers domains, mailboxes, warmup, campaigns and replies.
Deliverability call
Talk to our deliverability team
Book a call with the people who run our mailbox infrastructure. We look at your current setup and tell you what to change. Mailboxes are $1.50 from 100 and $0.50 from 1,000; for larger volumes we size an Enterprise plan with you.
- Review your domains, DNS records and current inbox placement
- Size the setup: domains, mailboxes per domain and daily volume per mailbox
- Plan warmup and the move from your current provider or sequencer
- Larger volumes: the Enterprise plan and its price for your setup
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- Google Workspace vs Microsoft 365 vs SMTP for Cold EmailBlog
- Mailboxes for Cold Email: A Buyer's ChecklistBlog
Sources
Each vendor's own pages. Vendors change prices and plans; if something here is out of date, write to support@outreach2day.com and we will fix it.
- Icemail
- icemail.ai/pricing
- icemail.ai/refund-policy
- icemail.ai/pre-warmed-mailboxes
- icemail.ai/help/articles/101-billing-faq-renewals-auto-renew-auto-top-up-and-payment-issues
- icemail.ai/imap-smtp-mailboxes-for-cold-outreach
- icemail.ai/why-icemail
- icemail.ai/help/articles/111-understanding-mailbox-sending-limits-and-what-happens-when-you-hit-them
- icemail.ai/google-mailboxes-for-cold-outreach
- icemail.ai/export
- icemail.ai/mcp
- icemail.ai/help/articles/48-%F0%9F%93%84refund-and-cancellation-policy-icemailai
- icemail.ai/llms.txt
- icemail.ai/terms
- trustpilot.com/review/icemail.ai
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